Very Interesting questions While I've little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi ? So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi, what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one. Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20? A : Yes, by his own admission. Q: What passport did he travel under? A: There are only three possibilities. 1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport. 2) He traveled with a British passport. 3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981? A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981. Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport. If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967. Whatever the truth of the matter,the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008. Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better. If you Don't care that Your President is not a natural born Citizen and in Violation of the Constitution, then Delete this and go into your cocoon.
-- Edited by mike of the mountain on Monday 13th of July 2009 11:39:28 PM
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and it gets better , now the US military is asking the question . and demanding the answer - and why shouldn't they receive an answer ? what is the big deal ? if NObama is legitimate why has he not produced the document ?
BORN IN THE USA? Orders revoked for soldier challenging prez Army warrior questioning Obama's birthplace
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: July 14, 2009 9:53 pm Eastern
A U.S. Army Reserve major from Florida scheduled to report for deployment to Afghanistan within days has had his military orders revoked after arguing he should not be required to serve under a president who has not proven his eligibility for office.
His attorney, Orly Taitz, confirmed to WND the military has rescinded his impending deployment orders. "It means that the military has nothing to show for Obama and has directly responded by saying Obama is illegitimate and they cannot fight it. Therefore, they are revoking the order!"
She continued, "They just said, 'Order revoked.' No explanation. No reasons just revoked."
A hearing on the questions raised by Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook, an engineer who told WND he wants to serve his country in Afghanistan, was scheduled for July 16 at 9:30 a.m.
"As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it is [my] duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With that said, if President Obama is found not to be a 'natural-born citizen,' he is not eligible to be commander-in-chief," he told WND only hours after the case was filed.
"[Then] any order coming out of the presidency or his chain of command is illegal. Should I deploy, I would essentially be following an illegal [order]. If I happened to be captured by the enemy in a foreign land, I would not be privy to the Geneva Convention protections," he said.
The order for the hearing in the federal court for the Middle District of Georgia from U.S. District Judge Clay D. Land said the hearing on the request for a temporary restraining order would be held Thursday.
Cook said without a legitimate president as commander-in-chief, members of the U.S. military in overseas actions could be determined to be "war criminals and subject to prosecution."
He said the vast array of information about Obama that is not available to the public confirms to him "something is amiss."
"That and the fact the individual who is occupying the White House has not been entirely truthful with anybody," he said. "Every time anyone has made an inquiry, it has been either cast aside, it has been maligned, it has been laughed at or just dismissed summarily without further investigation.
"You know what. It would be so simple to solve. Just produce the long-form document, certificate of live birth," he said.
Cook said he was scheduled to report for duty tomorrow, on July 15, to deploy to Afghanistan as part of President Obama's plan to increase pressure of insurgent forces there.
He told WND he would be prepared for a backlash against him as a military officer, since members of the military swear to uphold and follow their orders. However, he noted that following an illegal order would be just as bad as failing to follow a legal order.
Before news of the orders being revoked were reported, MSNBC anchor Keith Olbermann tonight called Cook a "jackass" and Taitz a "conwoman," as he labeled both of them the "worst persons in the world." He flayed the soldier as "an embarrassment to all those who have served without cowardice."
Named as defendants in the case are Col. Wanda Good, Col. Thomas Macdonald, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Obama, described as "de facto president of the United States."
According to the court filing, Cook affirmed when he joined the military, he took the following oath: "I, Stefan Frederick Cook, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the president of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
According to the claim, "Plaintiff submits that it is implicit though not expressly stated that an officer is and should be subject to court-martial, because he will be derelict in the performance of his duties, if he does not inquire as to the lawfulness, the legality, the legitimacy of the orders which he has received, whether those orders are specific or general."
The military courts offer no option for raising the question, so he turned to civilian courts to consider "a question of paramount constitutional and legal importance: the validity of the chain of command under a president whose election, eligibility, and constitutional status appear open to serious question."
"Barack Hussein Obama, in order to prove his constitutional eligibility to serve as president, basically needs only produce a single unique historical document for the Plaintiffs inspection and authentication: namely, the 'long-form' birth certificate which will confirm whether Barack Hussein Obama was in fact born to parents who were both citizens of the United States in Honolulu, Hawaii, in or about 1961," explains the complaint.
Taitz said she will attend the hearing to amend the temporary restraining order to an injunction because more members of the military have joined the cause.
"We are going to be asking for release of Obama's records because now this completely undermines the military. It revoked this order, but it can come up with another order tomorrow. It can come up with orders for other people," she said. "Am I going to be flying around the country 1,000 times and paying the fees every time they issue an order?"
Taitz said the issue "must be resolved immediately," and she will continue working to ensure Obama proves he is eligible for office.
"We're going to be asking the judge to issue an order for Obama to provide his vital records to show he is legitimately president," she said. "We're going to say, we have orders every day, and we'll have revocations every day. This issue has to be decided."
She said there cannot be any harm to the president if he is legitimately holding office.
"If he is legitimate, then his vital records will prove it," Taitz said. "If he is illegitimate, then he should not have been there in the first place."
Asked what this decision means for every other serviceman who objects to deployment under a president who has not proven he is eligible for office, Taitz responded:
"Now, we can have each and every member of the military each and every enlistee and officer file something similar saying 'I will not take orders until Obama is legitimately vetted.'"
Multiple questions have been raised about what that would mean to the 2008 election, to the orders and laws Obama has signed and other issues, including whether he then is a valid commander-in-chief of the military.
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so as per estimates out there NObama has spent so far $950,000,00 that is 950 thousand dollars in his attempts to weasel out of answering the question by providing documentation to support his claim that he is a natural born citizen ..... why ? why not just provide the supporting documentation ? if it exists . if it does not exist ... what then ? he can not serve as president , that's what .
Soldier balks at deploying; says Obama isnt president
By Lily Gordon
U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook, set to deploy to Afghanistan, says he shouldnt have to go.
His reason?
Barack Obama was never eligible to be president because he wasnt born in the United States.
Cooks lawyer, Orly Taitz, who has also challenged the legitimacy of Obamas presidency in other courts, filed a request last week in federal court seeking a temporary restraining order and status as a conscientious objector for her client.
In the 20-page document filed July 8 with the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Georgia the California-based Taitz asks the court to consider granting his clients request based upon Cooks belief that Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States and is therefore ineligible to serve as commander-in-chief of the U.S. Armed Forces.
Cook further states he would be acting in violation of international law by engaging in military actions outside the United States under this Presidents command. ... simultaneously subjecting himself to possible prosecution as a war criminal by the faithful execution of these duties.
Cook, a reservist, received the orders mobilizing him to active duty on June 9.
According to this document, which accompanies Cooks July 8 application for a temporary restraining order, he has been ordered to report to MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, Fla., on Wednesday. From there, the Florida resident would go to Fort Benning before deploying overseas.
Documents show Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, two years after it became a state.
A hearing to discuss Cooks requests will take place in federal court here Thursday at 9:30 a.m.
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The Governor of Hawaii, the Director of the Department of Health and several other document authenticators are now being joined by every member of Congress, TV pundits, even far-right-wing nuts Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter have conceded that President Obama is a natural-born citizen. But even so, the "Birther" movement seems to be getting hotter by the minute.
In the beginning, there was doubt, albeit misplaced about Barack Obama's birth certificate. By all logical avenues, this theory was, well, a bit nutty. But not given much more veracity than his status as a Muslim or his refusal to say the Pledge.
So in the face of such nuttiness, Obama released his birth certificate in good faith.
They cried "Fake!"
It was verified authentic by every government official and impartial expert imaginable.
They cried "Conspiracy!
It was shown that proof of Obama's citizenship existed far longer than any conspiracy could have forseen.
They cried "More proof!"
If Obama were to release any other documents or evidence, such as the "long form" (which proves the exact same thing as his regular BC), the paranoid conspiracy theorists would still not be satisfied. If God Himself appeared before all the land, and handed down a pair of tablets saying Obama was an American citizen, with Jesus and the Holy Spirit as co-signers, it would still not be good enough. They will simply denounce everything shown to them rather than face the reality that they lost an election.
If you deconstruct this argument, they're trying to say that Oabma is not a citizen. This de-legitimizes his Presidency, which de-legitimizes the election, which can only lead to a re-election, or turning the White House over to the runners up of that election. It boils down to far-right wing kooks yelling "No fair! Do-over!"
Sorry kids, no do-overs. It was a fair election. You lost. Eat what we eat.
