"I think she is a good pick, she'll shake things up. And she's hot!" - Scott Leffler

Didn't I call Scott out on Sept. 2?

"I am start to wonder about Scott after listening to him today. He seems to be holding the conservative line. Maybe he doesn't think for himself anymore.

He follows the herd mentality of the conservative right and then ducks out of the responsibility for giving any legitimite reason for his support by claiming that he will vote for some nameless 3rd party candidate." - me

I think Scott put his finger in the air and waited for the winds of conventional wisdom to help him decide how to play this whole Sarah Palin thing out.

Talk show host = parlor show: Hope that people forget what was said before, and then change with them winds. Like most talk show hosts, actually all of them, 99% bull**** and 1% courage.

And Rush Limbaugh has cheese for a brain.

No, I am not kidding.

I don't care about where the race IS right now and it's not a spectator sport for me.

We both know what I am talking about and you miss my point entirely. You play both sides, it's bot obvious and amusing to me.

The truth is is that she energized the PIN HEADS not because YOU said she would, but because the PIN HEADS are driven by images not issues. There is a difference you know, and it wasn't issues that you discussed earlier this month but image.

And the PIN HEADS are not just the "base" (I hate that word by the way, a played out cliche' ) but appearently many Democrats who supported Clinton in the past (or what I like to call "The Good Housekeeping crowd"*).

I think I am pretty right on. I got ears and I can hear quite well, thankyou.

It is indeed Orwellian, especially when the talking heads are infected!

Keep wearing them flip-flops, they fit you well. And then again: how hot is she to a blind man? A pig with lip-stick I say. Or is it a bulldog?

People...People!!!! Or as Sarah Palin puts it, "Guys and Gals!"

Absolutely, she is the Perfect Pick for McCain. She is the religious right...she is female, so to speak....she's even attractive, until she opens her mouth.

Plus, she can see Russia from her house!!!!

Still hate her guts, though. I understand what Andrew is saying, that there is so much at stake with this election, that it becomes personal. I don't even want to watch the news anymore, because I get insanely frustrated. I feel as impassioned about this election as I have in years....I personally wish that there was a Jerry Brown/Dennis Kucinich ticket, but alas, there is not. I will obviously be voting for Obama.

And, well, I guess that discussing both sides on air just makes for good radio....As Rodney King once said, "Can't we all just get along?"

Just kidding.

It was a marketing decision not a political one. That is my point.

If she was in her second term as Governor we wouldn't be having this discussion.

And I don't hate her.

Troopers dub Mat-Su area the meth capital of Alaska
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASILLA - The Matanuska-Susitna area is the methamphetamine capital of Alaska, according to Alaska State Troopers.
In 2003, authorities uncovered nine meth labs in the area. Last year, the number increased to 42, said Kyle Young, an investigator with the troopers who works with the Mat-Su narcotics team.

Officials with the Office of Children's Services in Wasilla said the problem affects children. The office receives about 40 calls a month from people reporting abuse or neglect involving some aspect of the highly addictive drug.

In late February, the Mat-Su narcotics unit arrested a couple at their Willow home. Michelle Motta said for years she tried to warn authorities that her three young nieces lived in the midst of a methamphetamine operation run by their parents, Phillip Dean and Laura Jackson.

Alaska State Troopers reported finding a "large active meth lab" in a detached garage shop. The house was a frigid mess, with piles of dirty dishes, clothes everywhere and frozen pipes, investigators said.






Through a hatch in the shop floor, the team found an underground room with a meth lab in one corner, as well as old marijuana root balls and lights from a past pot-growing operation.

An investigator said the team didn't find the children at home but saw signs of them there. Motta said the girls - ages 14, 8 and 6 - at times slept in the garage with the lab.

A year ago, the oldest girl detailed the household's rampant drug problems and squalid living conditions in a handwritten letter to a judge.

"My parents grow marijuana and crystal the(y) did the drugs that they bought in front of (my sisters)," the letter begins. "They spent most money on them instead of food or doing laundry. I got left home with nobody there I got left home with drug(g)ies..."

Motta now has custody of her three nieces. The Jacksons are jailed at Mat-Su Pre-Trial Facility in Palmer.

Children sharing homes with meth labs face the risk of contamination, fire, explosion, neglect and hazardous living conditions. Caseworkers report little children complaining of breathing problems from toxic fumes rising off chemicals such as acetone, ammonia and hydrochloric acid.

When authorities surrounded a converted bus housing a meth operation in Big Lake in January, a 13-year-old boy who answered the door bragged that his mom cooked the best meth in the valley, according to the troopers.

During a 2003 bust at a house outside Wasilla, officers discovered five children living inside, all younger than 8 years old.

The calls about meth to children's services in Wasilla accounts for as many as 40 percent of the agency's total monthly child protection calls.

The troopers are aggressively going after meth labs, said Capt. Ed Harrington, the supervisor of the state's drug and alcohol enforcement unit.

"It's just not a simple process," Harrington said. "Just because somebody calls in and says 'So and so's cooking meth' doesn't mean we're going to kick the door in the next night."

I certainly don't hate her, but we've known her for, what, a month, and already she's already directly involved about a dozen valid scandals and linked to dozens more. She has lied, cheated and stolen from the people of Alaska, and I see no reason she would stop as VP.

Doc Wu wrote:

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Ask yourself, if McCain won the election and had a heart attack and died at the inauguration, would Palin be the best person to take over? I don't think so. Obama has chosen Biden, who would not only be a capable replacement if needed, but will be a good person to work with him and support his work during his term.

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Doc Wu,

I completely agree! That is my biggest fear. Can you imagine Palin as President? I might have to turn Canadian if that actually happened.

As for McCain trying to skip the debate, our President should be the ultimate multi-tasker. If he is not organized enough to handle a debate that he should have been prepared for weeks ago, and still address the "bail out crisis', can he really be considered an effective leader?

Ski

I am almost willing to bet my life that she is gonna have a sudden "family emergency" when it is debate time. I know I am not the most objective person when it comes to her, but it just seems to me like this whole McCain ticket is really crashing and burning.

And that Katie Couric interview was absolutely atrocious! She looked like a complete moron! And I'm really sick and tired of that stupid, perky, folksy routine she is doing.
"I'll get ya some examples and bring 'em to ya!"

Aaaarrrgh!!!

Joe Biden is gonna ruin her. But if he makes her cry then it'll be sexist.

Oh, and nice freakin' photo op with Kissinger.

BUFWINGS wrote:

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I have to wonder... are the people who initially LOVED Palin still loving her?

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I would have to say, "yes," those who initially adored her continue to adore her, just as the people who initially abhorred her continue to abhor her.

Knee jerk reactions on both sides of the aisle: I think not enough is known about her yet to truly brew undying admiration or visceral revulsion.

She has - to this point - served her intended purpose:
* the announcement of her as McCain's running mate utterly dominated the news when the news should have been covering the end of the Dem convention and over-analyzing Obama's speech.
* she pulls in the pack-mentality "female" vote; you know, those women who would have voted for anyone with ovaries regardless of political philosophy or ability to do the job.
* she continues to dominate the news coverage: all the warm-and-fuzzy-backstory pieces and talking-head musings regards both McCain and Obama that the 24-hr news establishment were filling the airwaves with prior to her selection have all but disappeared. Now it is predominantly spinning for or against Palin. Even in this forum the discussion of Palin dominates the conversation!

Politics is, indeed, marketing. And they are trying desperately to package Palin as the presidential election's version of Tickle-Me-Elmo - create a media frenzy so that everybody wants one!

That said, I think she is just as qualified as Plagiarizing Joe Biden. (If you miss the reference, research Joe's own failed presidential bid.) They are both political creatures qualified to do little more than remain perpetually in office.

I will vote for neither of them. Biden is a slimy, old-school political hack. Palin is a politically-climbing neophyte who is nothing more than a Hail Mary pass by the McCain campaign.

Not one of these four people has any potential to make a positive difference to our nation.

Sarah Palin is alienating people across the board. My point remains the same: those who hated her right out of the box can probably count in equal numbers those who adored her from the get-go. Those visceral responses are simply knee-jerk reactions formed immediately and never to be changed, regardless of how much information there is put forth about her.

In other words, you have a counterpart somewhere out there who loves Palin as much as you hate her.

From a marketing standpoint she was a brilliant selection by a desperate campaign. Even if McCain somehow manages to pull this off, she will be relegated to the shadows upon inauguration, rarely to be heard from again. Kinda like Nixon in the Eisenhower administration.

Let's face it: This person is a moron! And I think most of the people who love her don't listen to what she is saying. As one "liberal" radio talk show host said, "The people who love her are watching her with the sound turned down."

When Palin supporters were asked if they saw the Charles Gibson or Katie Couric interviews, the majority of them said no.

Hence, they love the image, and her pious, corn-fed, middle America "Joe six-pack" "Washington Outsider" idea of her.

Not to shamelessly plug my own blog on here, but here is a thing I wrote on MYSpace right after McCain picked her:

August 30, 2008 - Saturday

Just exactly how ignorant/stupid/uninformed/etc, does McCain think we are?
Current mood: argumentative
Category: News and Politics


Okay, so I will just cut through the niceities and other bull**** and say what every self-respecting Liberal is thinking: John McCain has found a running mate, the rare token Republican Woman, no less, because apparently, out of deseration, this has become the portion of the voting American public he is courting. Apparently, we as women, should all start celebrating, because, my God, everything is right with the world: John McCain, the creepy old cancer-ridden otherwise middle of the road War Hero guy, who is the lukewarm, at best, nominee for the Republican Party has chosen some sort of "Dark Horse" running mate: Oh, my God, she has estrogen running through her chromosomal makeup, and my God, she is a fully functioning female, with ovaries and breasts and everything...so now WE as women, have someone to vote for, just because she is female....what a carrot for all of the Hillary supporters! MY GOD! A FEMALE! HALLELUJAH! RIGHT???

This person is, if elected, is going to set women's rights back 100 years! This person is THE EVANGELICAL CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN RIGHT!!! This person is the ANTI-HILLARY! And yet she has the gall, the audacity to to try to court Democrats by citing Geraldine Ferraro and Hillary Clinton as "trailblazers" for female politicians???? Does she really think that that any Democrat is going to vote for her? Does she and 'ol cancer-bag think that they are going to get any votes by trying to tout the fact she is female? Is this ALL he can come up with?

Sorry, but if McCain kicks off, I sure as hell don't want a small-timey backwoodsy former beauty queen turned small town Mayor turned soon to be Impeached Alaskan Governor posing as an "everywoman" soccer-mom to be at the helm of the biggest superpower in the world. But, ooh, she is female, so isn't that great? Isn't that a wonderful reasonable facsimile for Hillary? Are we not supposed to see through this? COULD McCAIN HAVE PATRONIZED OR INSULTED WOMEN'S INTELLEGENCE ANY MORE????

But thank ****ing God I am a almost menopausal female in my late 30's....because if I was not, in a few years, with this good woman at the helm of our fair Democracy, if I were ten years younger with an unwanted pregnancy, I suppose I will have to resort to a back alley and a dirty coathanger. And that is what will happen to the Supreme Court...we will have a gun-toting, pro-life, crazy asssed religious zealot, Evangelical Christian Conservative Jusice system!!!

She is still in danger of being impeached as the governor of Alaska, because of her involvment in the whole Ted Stevens fiasco...and even if not that particular fiasco, she has tried to get her (soon to be ex Brother in Law) fired from the Alaska state troopers, because he is divorcing her sister...(but hey! She's a Washington "outsider," right? With those types of ethics, she'll fit right in in Washington...)

She is a lifetime member of the NRA. Because, of course, the Obama/Biden ticket supports a ban on the personal ownership of "ASSAULT WEAPONS" so you won't be able to get a sterile abortion, but you can tote an AK-47 around in WalMart with you....

I mean, really, it is not a matter of if JohnMcCain dies, it is a matter of when.....someone with four cancer scares, it is inevitable....plus, the guy is OLD! Isn't it just groundbreakingly wonderful that a woman could be in charge? NO!!!!

If there was ever a woman who should stay in the kitchen, standing by her man and breeding, (which, with five children, she seems to have done just fine with up until now,) it is Sarah Palin....

Polish up your coat hangers, ladies, because apparently that is the direction we are heading....

I suppose I should be happy, because McCain has really, in the big scheme of things, picked her as a knee-jerk reaction to Barack Obama's insanely brilliant DNC speech. He is playing the gender card because he can get away with it, and appeal to all of the mouth breathing morons...er, I mean registered voters, who see a ****ing vagina and think that somehow, this candidate as a good alternative to Hillary Clinton....I should be glad that McCain has really, really shot himself in the old decrepit foot with this choice, but I am still annoyed with the audacity of his assumption, that we are all a bunch of idiots who just don't know any better.

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My boyfriend, however, thinks that this whole bimbo "routine" is an act and she is sandbagging, hustling, etc. all of us.

I guess we will see tomorrow. But I still stand by my "family emergency" prediction.

"I'd rather burn my own uterus out with a hot poker than vote for McCain/Palin!"

That should be a bumpersticker!

I hear ya on the anti-kid thing, BUFWINGS! We are unfortunately few and far between in our opinion!

BrattyJenn wrote:

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"I'd rather burn my own uterus out with a hot poker than vote for McCain/Palin!"

That should be a bumpersticker!

I hear ya on the anti-kid thing, BUFWINGS! We are unfortunately few and far between in our opinion!

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I love the bumper sticker!

As for being anti-kid, I guess we gotta stick together.  For every reason someone WANTS a kid, I have a reason why I don't.   

But I think parenthood should continue to be a CHOICE.  Taking away that right won't stop abortions...  it'll just stop SAFE ones.  Where there's a will, there's a way... and I'd find a way - no matter what the cost.  Hopefully, neither of us are ever in that situation.

Obviously, Roe v. Wade will not be overturned overnight, or even over the course of many years. Our government simply does not work that fast But there are always people (Conservatives) chipping away at Roe v. Wade. There are always politicans attempting to introduce some bill that they hope will start the anti-choice ball rolling. By that I mean that killing an expectant mother and her unborn baby" constitutes not one, but two murders. That is (in my opinion) the beginning.

These same people attempt to ban late-term abortions. Do I like the idea of late term abortions? No. Does banning them begin the slippery slope of making ALL abortions illegal? Absolutely.

Plus, not being nasty or confrontational, there is really no issue that affects men in any way close. It is an essentially, exclusively female issue.

It isn't the fear of Roe v. Wade actually being overturned. It is the idea the, the fearmongering that these Conservatives constantly dangle over the Pro-Choice crowd. And it is how vehemently Anti-Choice these same Conservatives are. There are very few issues that so many people get so passionate about, and if you are female and Pro-Choice, the very idea that even someday this could be taken away from us absolutely scares the hell out of me.

Reason #118: Palin had a private e-mail account. Not only did she allow her husband to conduct state business on the official e-mail account, she had a secret e-mail address for conducting state business covertly. The more we learn about Palin, the more she looks, sounds and acts like Bush/Cheney.

Palin Had a Third Private E-mail Account

In addition to the two Yahoo accounts that were already known -- including one that was hacked earlier this month -- the Washington Post has learned that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin had a third private e-mail account on a closed network that she and her staff used to communicate outside of the government's official e-mail system.

The owner of ITS Alaska, a tech company based in Wasilla, told the Post that an e-mail system was set up last spring under the domain that Palin had used for her campaign for governor -- PalinForGovernor.com -- and that access to the system was confined to "her closest confidants and coworkers and advisers and the person she sleeps with."

An ITS worker said there appeared to have been 10 to 15 addresses set up under the domain, but they were all shut down on September 17 after a hacker penetrated one of Palin's private Yahoo e-mail accounts and posted some of its contents online.

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There has been all of these attempts to connect Obama (which are weak at best) with the Weather Underground, Ayers, blah, blah, blah, but not much has been said about Todd Palin's involvement with the Alaskan Independence Party....How is this not a conflict of interests, to have a Veep who is married to a man who wants to sucede from the US?

Sarah Palin has been wearing a Polar Bear pin at interviews lately, which is sort of a joke in and of itself because she would probably shoot a polar bear, given the chance, but it also the symbol of the Alaskan Independence Party.....co-incidence? Hmm...

She just strikes me as a raving sociopath disguised as an "everywoman."

All she needs to do is shoot her good friend in the face. She is already in bed with big oil....She is so crooked already. She will fit right in, if she gets to Washington.

So what happens now? Does this whole Troopergate thing get swept under the rug? I heard today that she may have had her house built for free a la Ted Stevens...

I also find it very suspect that the findings of the Troopergate thing came out on a late Friday-early Saturday time frame, and was overshadowed by the whole Stock Market debacle. God, maybe I am becoming a conspiracy theorist...

I wish this election was over already....my poor liver can't take anymore!

-- Edited by BrattyJenn at 22:01, 2008-10-14

MC - This was awesome...  and moving to Canada doesn't sound so bad.... if only it wasn't so $@#!( cold there.

Because BufWings and myself live in Richmond, VA. We originally hail from Western New York, however. The only reasons to return are to see friends & family. And eat.

MC, that was awesome! We need some levity in regards to this election! Plus I think you just gave me my new outgoing message for the answering machine!

Aw, heck, Canada's not that cold....but they have stupid old Steven Harper up there, like a northern GWB....so we're damned if we do and damned if we don't, if Grampy and Vampy win....(stole that from Stephanie Miller, can't take credit.)