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With all the disinformation, confusion and outright lies about the proposed health care reform, I am listing some beneficial sources of truthful information.

First, the REAL bill: HR: 3200

Please Cut The Crap

www.pnhp.org

FactCheck.org


This is too important to be decided by misinformed, ignorant or dishonest, belligerent mobs.

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THERE IS NO MYTH
this bill is bad for America and all Americans even the foolish Americans that voted for the traitor socialist NObama

will all due respect

thank me very much


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MOTM: Tell me why Universal Health Care is a bad idea?  Should only the very richest people be able to have it?  And what happens when you get sick and they cancel your coverage? 

And please tell me what planet you live on where you are either 100% healthy all the time and/or aren't getting screwed by an HMO.  It's people like you that are going to ruin the chances for health care for everyone else. 


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Mike obviously doesn't support socialized education, socialized libraries, socialized police or fire protection, socialized water treatment, socialized postal services or the socialized military.

What I don't get is how Mike gets around without driving on my traitorous, socialized roads.

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Good point MC...

Imagine this... you pay every month for fire protection... then, one day, your house is on fire... the fire department comes (because you paid your premiums), extinguishes the fire and all is good... but... oppps... you have a history of fire now and you're fire protection insurance policy has been canceled. You try frantically to get fire insurance through another company but to no avail - you've been blacklisted because of your previous fire. Now what do you do? Perhaps the first fire wasn't even your fault... If only you had coverage that couldn't be canceled for previous accidents.

Yeah... this health care reform could really suck. *sarcasm*

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auto insurance is open for competition , you may buy your auto insurance from any provider and purchase a policy to suit your own goals and budget .

NObama care would have one provider , with real appointed
committees who get to approve what services the customers can have based on how much funds are left in the pot , not on customer need .
ask canada how well that works for them . 

who is going to pay for it ?
not you , not me , how about

our grandchildren .
is that right ?

no . 
there is no way around it ,
there is no money for it ,
the government can not properly manage the post office or social security or medicare or medicaid
they are all going bankrupt  
nuff said






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FROM the UK , with one of the failing healthcare systems the NObama and his czars seek to emulate we have this

"Pathways to death".

Report warns doctors snub families of the terminally ill amid growing use of 'death pathway'

By Daniel Martin
Last updated at 12:49 AM on 15th September 2009

More than a quarter of families are not told when life support is withdrawn from terminally-ill loved ones, a report has found.

Experts warn that growing use of a controversial 'death pathway' is seeing some patients killed off prematurely.

They say the system can lead to 'backdoor euthanasia' by encouraging doctors to deny fluids and drugs to those deemed to be in their final throes.

A nurse checks a patient's pulse

Controversial: About 20,000 patients are thought to die each year on the 'death pathway', where doctors can withdraw assistance

Under the so-called Liverpool Care Pathway, which is used across the NHS and in many nursing homes, doctors can withdraw assistance from the terminally ill and sedate them continuously until death.

About 20,000 patients are thought to die this way each year.

But a national audit of the scheme found that 28 per cent of relatives were not informed that a loved one had been placed on the pathway.

Researchers from the Royal College of Physicians and the Marie Curie Palliative Care Institute in Liverpool obtained details of almost 4,000 patients treated on the scheme last year.

Thirty-nine per cent suffered from cancer, while others had conditions such as pneumonia, stroke, organ failure and dementia. The average age of patients was 81 and they were typically on the pathway for 33 hours before death.

 

More than a third were given sedatives, and four out of five either did not need intravenous medication or fluids, or had them withdrawn. The study found that 76 per cent of families were told that a loved one 'had entered the dying phase'.

The audit - which examined practices at 155 hospitals in England - concluded that there was room for improvement in keeping relatives informed.

Peter Millard, emeritus professor of geriatrics at the University of London, said: 'The risk as this is rolled out across the country is that elderly people with chronic conditions like Parkinson's or respiratory disorders may be dismissed as dying when they could still live for some time.

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Guidelines: Senior doctors must assess patients to see whether they are close to death

'If patients tell their doctors that they wish to die at home, that shouldn't be taken as an excuse not to treat them in hospital if their condition deteriorates but they still might recover with proper care.

'We're not criticising good hospices. It's rolling out this tick-box practice into normal hospitals and nursing homes that is the problem.

'Discussions about the future of patients are being bypassed; the supportive nature of hospitals has gone. We are hearing complaints from all round the country.

'Governments have got rid of respite care and geriatric wards, so we're left with a crisis. The Government has said let's develop a service to help people die at home - what they should be doing is helping them live. Only when death is unavoidable should you start withdrawing treatment.

'The problem is that there isn't enough discussion between doctors and patients and their relatives. Nobody is talking to them.'

The 'National Care of the Dying' audit also found that less than half of all terminally-ill patients and their relatives are offered religious or spiritual support.

And a quarter of doctors in hospitals are not properly trained in dealing with the dying.

Professor John Ellersaw, of the Marie Curie institute, said: 'That three quarters of relatives and carers are now told what's going on is encouraging, but we don't know what's happening in the remaining cases.'

The audit also said that hospitals and care homes that routinely put patients under deep sedation should review their practices.

The care pathway, which was developed by a Liverpool hospice, has spread to 300 hospitals and 560 care homes following its adoption in 2004 by rationing watchdog NICE.

Under the guidelines, a senior doctor should assess a patient to see whether they are close to death. Signs can include losing consciousness or having difficulty swallowing.

But experts warn that these symptoms can be related to other conditions. Patients can become semi-conscious after having morphine-injections, for example.

Earlier this month, a group of experts wrote to a national newspaper, saying the pathway was ending the lives of those who may have had months left in them.

They said it might not suit a busy hospital, where vital signs of recovery could often be missed.

After the decision has been made to put a patient on the pathway, doctors are advised to consider removing medication and drips.

The guidelines recommend that patients' conditions should be assessed at least every four hours. If they show improvement they should be taken off the pathway.



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AND  another example of the high quality government managed healthcare
the NObama
seeks to foist upon us
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see the comments below the article as well
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Young woman dies of DVT after medics fail to spot broken leg

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 1:21 PM on 14th September 2009


Andrea Norris

Battle: Parademics tried in vain to save Andrea Norris, who collapsed at home

A young woman collapsed and died of a deep vein thrombosis (DVT) three weeks after a hospital had failed to diagnose a broken leg.

Even after the fracture was confirmed, doctors failed to identify that deep vein thrombosis had developed when Andrea Norris presented with symptoms, an inquest heard.

The 23-year-old learning support assistant had been working at a further education college when she slipped and fractured her left leg.

Three weeks later, Miss Norris' fiance, Robert Stanton, found her on the floor of their home. Despite desperate attempts by paramedics to revive her, she died at the scene.

The inquest was told that Miss Norris was taken to West Suffolk Hospital on January 30, where doctors told her she had a sprain and didn't bother to X-ray her.

After hearing the evidence, the coroner criticised the hospitals involved and said the systems for identifying DVTs should be improved.

Dr Daniel Knowles - who was a trainee doctor at the time he examined Miss Norris - told the hearing she appeared to have a soft tissue injury, but he did not ask her to try to walk.

She was given strong painkillers and, after 30 minutes, he asked her to walk.

Dr Knowles said: 'Although she was obviously uncomfortable she did not need crutches so I did not order an X-ray. From what I observed she was able to weight bear.

'The painkillers were unlikely to mask a significant injury.'

But the inquest heard that a week later, the pain in her left knee had increased and she was unable to walk unaided.

Her GP referred her for an X-ray at Ipswich Hospital where it was confirmed she had a fractured leg.

Miss Norris, from Stowmarket in Suffolk, continued to experience pain and hardening of her left calf as well as cold feet and swollen ankles. The issues were repeatedly raised with medical staff at Ipswich Hospital by Mr Stanton and Miss Norris' mother, Johanna.

Mr Stanton told the inquest he began to worry it may be deep vein thrombosis (DVT) but that no doctor appeared concerned by the symptoms.

On February 9 and 17, Miss Norris visited Richard Baxandall, a consultant orthopaedic surgeon at Ipswich hospital, who told her the reason for the pain and cold was because she was not using her leg.

'She was a young lady and a DVT would not have been on the top of my list because I could see she hadn't been putting weight on her leg, which is understandable because of the injury,' Dr Baxandall told the hearing.

Mrs Norris said she, too, had become increasingly concerned about her daughter's pain and on February 18 she phoned the physiotherapy department at Ipswich Hospital.

'She was practically in tears because of the pain and swelling in her ankle. I was generally concerned,' she said.

'I was told by the physiotherapist to just keep her doing the exercises and no questions were asked about her condition. The whole experience was totally unacceptable and I felt they were trying to fob me off.'

Sheila Batley, service manager at the physiotherapy department, said there was no record of the conversation but she would have expected questions to have been asked over Miss Norris' condition.

She said a new system had now been put in place, logging patients' details and calls.

Pathologist Dr Sheila Purdy, who carried out the post-mortem examination, said Miss Norris had died of a pulmonary embolism, caused by a DVT as a result of her leg fracture.

After recording the jury's verdict of accidental death, coroner Peter Dean said there were areas that West Suffolk Hospital and Ipswich Hospital needed to address, including ensuring there was better awareness and consideration of DVT, even in relatively minor injuries.

He added: 'It was unfortunate the fracture was not picked up straight away. It seems quite possible that on the second visit to the consultant she may have had symptoms of DVT and the response Mrs Norris was given when she telephoned was not an appropriate response.'

Speaking after the hearing, Mrs Norris described her daughter as a 'real star' who had worked hard to gain a BA in business management. She had been working at West Suffolk College, in Bury St Edmunds, at the time of her accident.

Mrs Norris added: 'We just hope lessons can be learned from this so no-one else has to go through what we have.'

The coroner ruled a verdict of accidental death.


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13 years and tens of billions and this is all the NHS is now.

Shame on all of you NuLabour for destroying this national asset.

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The exact same thing happened to my mother as what happened to Andrea Norris.
My mother visited three G.P's and one physiotherapist over a four month period.
Finally a fractured femur was diagnosed by which stage she was in considerable pain and virtually unable to walk..
Doctors should treat each patient as an individual and not as a textbook case then perhaps mistakes like this wouldn't happen.
My heart goes out to the family at this time....

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This is the result of consultants leaving trainees and students in charge while they go off round the golf course or to consult their financial advisers. About time the public was aware of how rarely these highly-paid people are actually in NHS hospitals, as engaged in lucrative private practice elsewhere.
And don't listen to the propaganda about medical "students" being the brightest and the best with the highest AL grades,Neither is true. If you know the right people/tick the right PC boxes/ are a doctor's kid you can get in with inferior grades and very limited intelligence.

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Typical NHS.

Ignore the patient's concerns, trivialise their anxieties and suffering and argue with anyone who raises legitimate concerns.

And our politician's won't touch the NHS because it is "world class and loved by all"..

- NickW, Cambridge UK, 14/9/2009 12:33

Excellent points, Nick. This is exactly how many many people are treated.

I just wanted to ask everyone: who is it that actually thinks that the NHS is 'loved by all'? I mean, today's NHS, NOT the wonderful original concept of the NHS and the way it actually did treat people up until a couple of decades ago.

We all love the concept, the history and what the good old NHS did for people's health, but isn't it true to say that just about everyone nowadays has an NHS horror story amongst their family/friends circle?

RIP Andrea. We know this was no accident, and that it was neglect.

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After falling and breaking my ankle on holiday in France I was put in plaster and given Heparin injections - standard practice there. Immobilisation of limbs increases the risk of DVT and whilst not pleasant being injected daily, it was a relief to know that there was no risk of DVT while I was unable to walk.





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auto insurance is open for competition , you may buy your auto insurance from any provider and purchase a policy to suit your own goals and budget .  Except that you can live without auto insurance. And my monthly auto insurance bill doesn't exceed my monthly rent by three-fold.


NObama care would have one provider ,
Lie. with real appointed
committees who get to approve what services the customers can have based on how much funds are left in the pot ,
Fantasy not on customer need .
ask canada how well that works for them .

Every Canadian I've conversed with on the subject is happy with their health insurance, even moreso if you ask them to switch to the American system, which is undeniably broken. A public option will simply be one more choice competing with other insurance providers. Except that a public option will not be profit-driven with 30% administrative costs.

who is going to pay for it ?
not you , not me , how about our grandchildren .
is that right ?

No, it's not. This program will be paid in full by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire, cracking down on waste and fraud, and, oh yeah, premiums.

no . 
there is no way around it ,
there is no money for it ,
the government can not properly manage the post office or social security or medicare or medicaid
they are all going bankrupt  
nuff said 

If Medicare and Medicaid are so horrible, why don't people dump it and get private insurance? Almost every senior I know depends on Medicare to live. And if it's losing money right now, it's because fraud perpetrated mostly by private insurers, and the fact that Medicare covers the most frail and sickly of our population. If we were to cover the young as well, it would create a much larger pool of coverage and costs would drop.



Your isolated examples do not make an argument against government options. It makes an argument against stupid people

 



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(CNSNews.com) As Britains government-run National Health Service continues to draw flak over the treatment of elderly and dying hospital patients, some NHS doctors are fighting back, disputing claims that have been raised as part of the U.S. debate over health-care reform.

More than 100 NHS health professionals and patients signed their names to an open letter published in the British Medical Journal this week, defending the U.K. health care system against criticism that has arisen in the U.S.

Survey after survey shows that British patients express a high degree of satisfaction with the care they personally receive from the NHS, they asserted. On average, British users of the NHS live longer and have a lower infant mortality rate than people in the U.S.

Elderly patients, they argued, receive the same treatment as younger ones, and get free flu vaccinations, free medication, free operations as needed, nursing care visits, and help and adaptations for the home.

The initiative comes amid a steady stream of complaints about the 61-year-old NHS, which has long faced accusations of rationing health care for reasons of cost-efficiency.

Over the past month it has been confronted by two especially damaging scandals.

The first came in the form of a report by an independent charity documenting a consistent pattern of shocking standards of care experienced by some NHS hospital patients. The report included gruesome personal accounts by family members of finding loved ones lying in blood, vomit or excrement.

The Patients Association, which operates a telephone helpline, said it had been receiving complaints for years about dreadful, neglectful, demeaning, painful and sometimes downright cruel treatment.

These accounts reveal patients being denied basic dignity in their care often left in soiled bed clothes, being given inadequate food and drink, having repeated falls, suffering from late diagnosis, cancelled operations, bungled referrals and misplaced notes, said the charitys director, Katherine Murphy.

There are also worrying instances of cruel and callous attitudes from staff towards vulnerable and sometimes terminally ill patients.

After the report was released, the association said it was overwhelmed by responses, including hundreds of emails and calls from others across the country with their own stories to tell.

We feel the immense response we have had from the public is the best answer to continual rebuttals by NHS leaders and the Department of Health as they insist on ignoring the scale of the problem, it said in a statement.

Final pathway

The second recent blow to the NHSs reputation involved claims by experts that guidelines for care of the dying, which are being rolled out across the country, may be ending the lives of some patients prematurely because they are assessed as being closer to death than they actually are.

In a letter published in The Daily Telegraph, six experts raised concerns about the Liverpool Care Pathway for the Dying Patient (LCP), described by health authorities as a template to guide the delivery of care for the dying.

Implemented in 2004 and now used in hundreds of hospitals and care homes, the LCP advises senior staff to assess whether a patient is near death, based on signs such as difficulty swallowing or moving in and out of consciousness.

If deemed to be close to death, patients are put on the pathway and doctors can withdraw food and fluids and halt any intervention judged to be of no further benefit. They may also be sedated until they die.

The LCP recommends that the situation should be discussed with relatives. Staffers also are expected to regularly assess the patients condition, and to respond to any improvement by resuming treatment.

The withdrawal of food and fluids is already controversial pro-lifers call it backdoor euthanasia but some health professionals have raised additional concerns.

They warn that some symptoms used in the assessment could be the result of factors other than a condition of near-death for instance, a state of semi-consciousness could be related to the administration of morphine.

Forecasting death is an inexact science, the six experts, who included an emeritus professor of geriatrics at the University of London, Peter Millard, wrote in their letter.

If you tick all the right boxes in the Liverpool Care Pathway, the inevitable outcome of the consequent treatment is death. As a result, a nationwide wave of discontent is building up, as family and friends witness the denial of fluids and food to patients.

The writer said syringe drivers equipment used to administer a steady flow of fluid and/or medication to a patient over a sustained period of time are being used to give continuous terminal sedation, without regard to the fact that the diagnosis could be wrong.

The LCP was originally developed for cancer patients at a Liverpool hospice. Adopted in 2004 on the recommendation of an NHS agency called the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE), it is now used for terminally-ill patients irrespective of diagnosis.

A national audit of 3,893 patients put onto the LCP last year found that 39 percent of them had cancer while the rest had conditions including pneumonia, stroke and heart failure.

The audit, released this week, found the average age of affected patients to be 81. For cancer patients the median length of time spent on the pathway was 30 hours, while for those with other diagnoses it was 35 hours.

The audit also found that in only 72 percent of cases was the pathway that is, the withdrawal of life-supporting treatment explained to carers and relatives. In only 68 percent of cases did relatives express an understanding of what was about to be done.

The audit acknowledged that there was room for improvement when it came to communicating with relatives and carers about the LCP.

Choices have to be made

An annual social attitudes report compiled by Britains National Center for Social Research and released in January found that satisfaction with the NHS was higher than it had been at any time since 1984.

However, a breakdown shows that while satisfaction with NHS GPs was high, at 76 percent, satisfaction with inpatient services had dropped, from 74 percent in 1983 to 49 percent now.

The survey authors said the result seems to reflect concerns about the quality of medical treatment and nursing care in hospitals.

Ensuring cost-efficiency in the NHS is the function of NICE. The agency came under fire in 2006 for guidance saying that drugs for Alzheimers should only be prescribed on the NHS to patients with moderate-stages disease, and not those in the early stages.

NICE argued that the drugs, which cost a little over $4 a day, did not make enough of a difference for them to be recommended for all patients.

Opponents of the move took legal action, but the High Court in London upheld NICEs position in a ruling that the Alzheimer's Society described as insulting and devastating news.

Last week an osteoporosis expert told a British Science Association festival that thousands of British women suffering from the brittle bone condition were being denied better, but more expensive treatment. NICE is not due to appraise the new treatment for another three years.

So much for the promise at the inception of the NHS that all medicines and care would be given from cradle to grave, said Dr. Helen Evans, director of Nurses for Reform, in response to the news.

As far as I can see the NHS and other government agencies such as NICE seem now to be there for the sole purpose of making sure that very little is available and that the journey to the grave is very uncomfortable and much quicker than necessary, she said. Nurses for Reform is a network of nurses dedicated to consumer-led reform of health-care systems.

On its Web site, NICE explains how it decides whether or not a treatment is cost-effective, through use of a measure called a quality-adjusted life year (QALY).

QALY aims to calculate how many extra months or years of life of a reasonable quality a patient may gain as a result of treatment. Quality of life is gauged taking into account factors like the level of pain, mobility and general mood.

NICE then calculates how much the drug or treatment costs per QALY gained. If the treatment costs 20,000-30,000 pounds sterling (approximately $33,000-$49,400) per QALY gained, the agency considers it cost-effective.

If a treatment costs more than £30,000 per QALY gained, it is not normally recommended for use in the NHS.

With the rapid advances in modern medicine, most people accept that no publicly funded healthcare system, including the NHS, can possibly pay for every new medical treatment which becomes available, NICE says.

The enormous costs involved mean that choices have to be made.


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Oregondave (5 hours ago)     

To all dimwitcrats that voted for Obummer you had better take a good look at the health care that's coming soon to this country. Abortion, it's no longer just for babies!

Conservative Rascal (15 hours ago)     

No 'Death Panels' but, they still manage to kill people and shorten life to save money. The patience's last hours are spent sedated instead of with love ones. http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/conservativerascal

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auto insurance is open for competition , you may buy your auto insurance from any provider and purchase a policy to suit your own goals and budget .  Except that you can live without auto insurance. And my monthly auto insurance bill doesn't exceed my monthly rent by three-fold. and auto insurance is open to completion  , how many health insurance companies sell a product in your are compared to how many auto insurance companies ?
basically it is a poor comparison , but is was the comparison chosen by the libs , they gives us the clubs , we beat them with them . duh .

at a local town hall meeting My congressman , John Hall informed us that he is part of an insurance group , a large group , the federal employees group , he stated to us , all of us in the town hall meeting that his families blue cross policy cost a total of $400. dollars a month which he had to pay out of pocket .
now , then
this guy is a demoncrat liberal and as such is unfamiliar with the word "truth" BUT he did state that a few times .
he did not state his payment was subsidized in any way by any one

if we assume he is NOT fibbing , then why not just open up his "group" to cover all Americans ? that would be 30% of the same premium for this area for the rest of us mortals .   
if he is not fibbing and the group is opened up to all ... problem solved .  if he was fibbing , then he has proven himself an idiot again.
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when it was suggested that state boundaries be removed so that all health insurance providers could sell policies anywhere in America ... he had no clue how to respond .

when it was suggested that TORT reform be introduced to limit unrelated expenses to Drs and other healthcare professionals and by limiting expense lowering costs passed on to the consumer  ... he had no clue how to respond     

you can change it , make it better , without killing it .

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NObama care would have one provider ,
Lie.  no it is not a lie , it is a fact that the rest of the insurers would be driven out of business due  to the policy provisions introduced in hr3200 and after a short time , there would be only one provider . provide facts to disprove this if you can


with real appointed
committees who get to approve what services the customers can have based on how much funds are left in the pot ,
Fantasy not on customer need .
ask canada how well that works for them .

Every Canadian I've conversed with on the subject is happy with their health insurance, even moreso if you ask them to switch to the American system, which is undeniably broken. A public option will simply be one more choice competing with other insurance providers. Except that a public option will not be profit-driven with 30% administrative costs. hmm what of the recent headlines stating that the canadian system is broke , that there are no Dr s on board in many places , that government 'clinics" are sending "customers " away to private "clinics" at a cost to" the customer " not the government to get any services let alone proper services ?

who is going to pay for it ?
not you , not me , how about our grandchildren .
is that right ?

No, it's not. This program will be paid in full by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire, cracking down on waste and fraud, and, oh yeah, premiums.

umm no , there is insufficient funds from those sources , the waste and fraud you refer to means medicare and medicaid funding AND services  get Decimated .

the CBO Congressional Budget office states "the numbers do not add up , this does not work " and they were referring  to a lesser number of uninsured than the NObama is calculating

.... i guess they should know .

no . 
there is no way around it ,
there is no money for it ,
the government can not properly manage the post office or social security or medicare or medicaid
they are all going bankrupt  
nuff said 

If Medicare and Medicaid are so horrible, why don't people dump it and get private insurance? Almost every senior I know depends on Medicare to live. And if it's losing money right now, it's because fraud perpetrated mostly by private insurers, and the fact that Medicare covers the most frail and sickly of our population. If we were to cover the young as well, it would create a much larger pool of coverage and costs would drop.



Your isolated examples do not make an argument against government options. It makes an argument against stupid people
stupid people ?
how stupid are the people that are believing what the liberal media is feeding them ? how stupid are the people that are believing the un achievable socialist  goals being presented by the politicians that they are to foolish to vote out -

but most importantly
how stupid are the people that think we do not need to adhere to the constitution here and now to preserve our great country as it is and was for future generations as opposed to sliding into socialization one unconstitutional law at a time ?

this is not about rebublicans or demoncrats , they are all corrupt and not following the law ,
it is time to hold their feet to the fire and force them to follow the guidlines in the declaration and in the constitution and bill of rights , if they will not

then we the people need to fire them and vote in some people who who will    .    

 

 





BEWARE THE PUBLIC OPTION TRAP


By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

As any good Persian rug dealer knows, you have to hold back a bargaining chit so that you can whip it out at the very end to tie down the sale. That's how Obama is playing the so-called public option in his healthcare program. His plan seems to be to combine its abandonment with some form of tort reform and try to buy off some Republicans - maybe only Maine's Olympia Snowe - to give moderate Democrats enough confidence in the veneer of bi-partisanship to win their backing for his bill.

But it's a fraud and a trick.

Here's why:

(a)  Whether or not there is a public option makes no difference in the fundamental objection most elderly have to the bill - that it guts Medicare and Medicaid. All of the bills now under consideration cut these two programs by one half of a trillion dollars. And all of them require the medical community to serve thirty to fifty million new patients without any concomitant growth in the number of doctors or nurses. These cuts and shortages will lead to draconian rationing of medical care for the elderly, whether under a public option or not.

(b)  The most likely proposal is to replace the public option with some form of buyer's co-op. But since there is no currently existing co-op to serve as a vehicle for health insurance, it would have to be formed. By who? The government, of course. That would mean, as a practical matter, that the "co-op option" would be a government run plan for several years. In fact, they may not get around to setting up a co-op at all.

(c)  The other alternative, mentioned by Senator Snowe herself, would be for a "trigger" mechanism. This provision would require the creation of a public alternative to private insurance plans if, after a specified period of time, they did not lower rates to a pre-determined level. Given the escalation of healthcare costs, it is almost inevitable that this provision would lead to a government plan. And, anyway, who says that the government insurance option would be more successful in reducing costs?

But Obama has to at least appear to be willing to compromise, so he has invented the idea of re-packaging the public option in order to seem to be flexible.

The key, here, is not to be distracted by the debate over the public option. It matters very much to private insurance companies whether the government becomes their competitor, but, for the elderly (and the near-elderly), the key concern is not the public option by the rationing and cuts projected under the program.

In the Clinton Administration, we worked hard to kill the proposed Medicare cuts and are no less committed to stopping them in the Obama presidency. That they were once proposed by the right and are now being pushed by the left makes no difference. A cut is a cut is a cut. And Medicare should not be cut.



-- Edited by mike of the mountain on Thursday 17th of September 2009 12:33:13 AM

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